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Man Bitten By Poisonous Lizard In Ohio
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Garrison Hilliard
2009-08-01 18:10:18 UTC
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A Butler County man was flown to a Dayton hospital this afternoon after he was
bitten by a poisonous lizard.

Police in Wayne Townhsip say the man showed up at the firehouse on Jacksonburg
Road this afternoon, saying he'd been bitten by his pet lizard. Officials
haven't said what kind of lizard the man owned or where the animal is now.

The man was exhibiting symptoms of poisoning and was flown to Miami Valley
Hospital. His name and condition are not known.

According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, there are two kinds of poisonous
lizards in the world; the Gila monster and the beaded lizard. Both can deliver
fatal doses of poison if the bite is deep enough.

http://www.local12.com/guides/petcare/story/Man-Bitten-By-Poisonous-Lizard/vc4UKtMxvESItzrIcwLd_Q.cspx
r norman
2009-08-01 18:20:45 UTC
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On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:10:18 +0000, Garrison Hilliard
Post by Garrison Hilliard
A Butler County man was flown to a Dayton hospital this afternoon after he was
bitten by a poisonous lizard.
Police in Wayne Townhsip say the man showed up at the firehouse on Jacksonburg
Road this afternoon, saying he'd been bitten by his pet lizard. Officials
haven't said what kind of lizard the man owned or where the animal is now.
The man was exhibiting symptoms of poisoning and was flown to Miami Valley
Hospital. His name and condition are not known.
According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, there are two kinds of poisonous
lizards in the world; the Gila monster and the beaded lizard. Both can deliver
fatal doses of poison if the bite is deep enough.
http://www.local12.com/guides/petcare/story/Man-Bitten-By-Poisonous-Lizard/vc4UKtMxvESItzrIcwLd_Q.cspx
The general opinion of naturalists I have heard who have discussed
Gila Monsters in Tucson, Arizona is that you have to do things that
are really incredibly stupid to get bit by one. The classic statement
is that of a Dr. Ward in 1899 who said: " “I have never been called to
attend a case of Gila monster bite, and I don’t want to be. I think a
man who is fool enough to get bitten by a Gila monster ought to die.
The creature is so sluggish and slow of movement that the victim of
its bite is compelled to help largely in order to get bitten.”
b***@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
2009-08-02 23:48:08 UTC
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Post by r norman
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:10:18 +0000, Garrison Hilliard
Post by Garrison Hilliard
A Butler County man was flown to a Dayton hospital this afternoon after he was
bitten by a poisonous lizard.
Police in Wayne Townhsip say the man showed up at the firehouse on Jacksonburg
Road this afternoon, saying he'd been bitten by his pet lizard. Officials
haven't said what kind of lizard the man owned or where the animal is now.
The man was exhibiting symptoms of poisoning and was flown to Miami Valley
Hospital. His name and condition are not known.
According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, there are two kinds of poisonous
lizards in the world; the Gila monster and the beaded lizard. Both can deliver
fatal doses of poison if the bite is deep enough.
http://www.local12.com/guides/petcare/story/Man-Bitten-By-Poisonous-Lizard/vc4UKtMxvESItzrIcwLd_Q.cspx
The general opinion of naturalists I have heard who have discussed
Gila Monsters in Tucson, Arizona is that you have to do things that
are really incredibly stupid to get bit by one. The classic statement
is that of a Dr. Ward in 1899 who said: " “I have never been called to
attend a case of Gila monster bite, and I don’t want to be. I think a
man who is fool enough to get bitten by a Gila monster ought to die.
The creature is so sluggish and slow of movement that the victim of
its bite is compelled to help largely in order to get bitten.”
Has anybody sorted out the truth of this story yet?

Recently the CBC science program 'Quirks and Quarks' interviewed a
scientist whose group had recently discovered that Komodo dragons
have venom glands, and their venom contains (at least) two toxins:
one that lowers blood pressure and an anticoagulant. The toxins
exacerbate the effects of the massive wounds Komodo dragons inflict
on their prey, helping to drop them sooner and closer to the attack
location. They also said that contrary to common belief that these
animals have very dirty mouths full of rotting meat and bacteria to
make their bites more lethal, they actually have rather nice clean
teeth.

While smaller monitors are available as pets, most of them are either
small and insectivorous or 1-5 kg and specialize in carrion, eggs,
large snails and similar small prey. It's conceivable that some
of them could also have venom glands, considering that these were
missed in their biggest congener for so many years.

But I suspect there's some confusion in the original news report about
just what, if anything, bit this guy. I can think of a number of
explanations, e.g. it was a psychosomatic reaction because the guy
believed that the lizard had a venomous bite, or he was actually bitten
by a pet snake but didn't want to say so because they aren't legal in his
jurisdiction, or others. AFAIK, Gila monsters are a protected species
in the US and it isn't legal to own one -- not to say that there aren't
plenty of people around who don't know or care about such rules, and
they're just the kind of yahoos who'd harass one into biting.
Ulrik Smed
2009-08-03 06:59:30 UTC
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Post by b***@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu
Recently the CBC science program 'Quirks and Quarks' interviewed a
scientist whose group had recently discovered that Komodo dragons
have venom glands...
There has been severel discoveries about venom in lizards recently. The most
well known is probably the bearded dragon, if I remember correctly it has
venom similar to that of rattlesnakes, but in very small quantities.

I don't know about other big monitors, I have a 1.5 meter blackthroated
monitor, he sometimes bites me in breeding playfulness. Sometimes he puts on
a bit too much pressure and makes me bleed, but there is no sign of venom at
all, wounds heal just normally, I haven't even got infections from it, seems
he has a very clean mouth.
--
Ulrik Smed
Aarhus, Denmark
Luke Campbell
2009-08-04 05:45:15 UTC
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Post by Ulrik Smed
I don't know about other big monitors, I have a 1.5 meter blackthroated
monitor, he sometimes bites me in breeding playfulness. Sometimes he puts on
a bit too much pressure and makes me bleed, but there is no sign of venom at
all, wounds heal just normally, I haven't even got infections from it, seems
he has a very clean mouth.
The venom so far discovered in monitors would not have noticeable
local effects or neurotoxic effects. Symptoms reported so far include
immediate shooting pain at the wound site, persistent bleeding after a
bite, weakness, fatigue, and signs of shock. Venom-like effects have
been reported in Komodo (Varanus komodensis), perentie (V. giganteus),
lace (V. varius), and desert monitors (V. griseus). See, for example,
Fry et al, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Vol 106, pg
8969-8974, 2009. Descriptions of venom-like effects can be found in
D. Bennett, Monitor Lizards: Natural History, Biology, & Husbandry,
1995, and in E. Pianka, The Lizard Man Speaks.

Luke
Abu Husein
2009-08-01 18:56:24 UTC
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Post by Garrison Hilliard
A Butler County man was flown to a Dayton hospital this afternoon after he was
bitten by a poisonous lizard.
Police in Wayne Townhsip say the man showed up at the firehouse on Jacksonburg
Road this afternoon, saying he'd been bitten by his pet lizard. Officials
haven't said what kind of lizard the man owned or where the animal is now.
The man was exhibiting symptoms of poisoning and was flown to Miami Valley
Hospital. His name and condition are not known.
According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, there are two kinds of poisonous
lizards in the world; the Gila monster and the beaded lizard.  Both can deliver
fatal doses of poison if the bite is deep enough.  
http://www.local12.com/guides/petcare/story/Man-Bitten-By-Poisonous-L...
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jc
2009-08-09 21:42:01 UTC
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Post by Garrison Hilliard
A Butler County man was flown to a Dayton hospital this afternoon after he was
bitten by a poisonous lizard.
Police in Wayne Townhsip say the man showed up at the firehouse on Jacksonburg
Road this afternoon, saying he'd been bitten by his pet lizard. Officials
haven't said what kind of lizard the man owned or where the animal is now.
The man was exhibiting symptoms of poisoning and was flown to Miami Valley
Hospital. His name and condition are not known.
According to the Encyclopedia Brittanica, there are two kinds of poisonous
lizards in the world; the Gila monster and the beaded lizard. Both can deliver
fatal doses of poison if the bite is deep enough.
http://www.local12.com/guides/petcare/story/Man-Bitten-By-Poisonous-Lizard/vc4UKtMxvESItzrIcwLd_Q.cspx
The obvious choice would be a Gila Monster, which is definitely illegal to own
in the US, as they are protected. It's possible he had some type of license for
breeding or whatnot, but I wouldn't bet a nickel on it.

As to how fast Gila's are, anyone that says they are slow and sluggish has never
actually handled one. Generally speaking, if you just watch one walking around
without molesting them, yes, they are slow and consertivative in their
movements. Bother one and they can be lightening fast and they are definitely
inclined to bite when captured. I've handled a couple of them myself when I
lived in Tucson and know how fast they can run, if they want, and how quickly
they can turn their heads and clamp onto the unsuspecting. And clamp is
certainly the right word, as they bite and hold on like vice-grips.

And, no, I've never been bitten by Gila, nor anything else venmous. While I'd
have to plead guilty to crazy, I seldom do stupid things. I've handled quite a
few venomous snakes as well and have never once come even close to being bitten.
I've been chomped on by any number of non-venomous types over the years, and
while I don't much like it, it's just scratches. I've captured and relocated
copperheads where I live now (I have 13 acres 60 something miles outside of St.
Louis), only because my dogs were city dogs and not at all snake-smart, and I
didn't want to see them bitten. Now there's no more dogs and I don't even
bother with relocation. I just don't mention them to my wife, who is from the
Philippines and definitely does not like snakes. She reminds me of the 'Fat
Broad' in the "BC" comics, that furiously beats the snake to death, then runs
around in a panic, screaming at the top of her lungs. Surprisingly, she didn't
freak out when I had the injured Hognose in our house, so apparently, after 13
years, she is getting used to my.... well, let's be polite and say
"eccentrities."
Cheers,
jc

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